Café Rétro

[Dhargo]

Je pense que s'il y avait une réelle volonté de faire quelque chose des ROM et Micronauts publiés chez Marvel, ils trouveraient une solution.
Mais oui, c'est dommage ces problèmes de droits, parce que ça m'oblige à chercher à compléter ces collections. Micronauts c'est pas mal, sauf New Voyages !
Shang Shi, j'en ai beaucoup, mais bon, j'ai du boulot encore et ROM, ben...ne parlons pas de ROM en fait ...

[Fred le mallrat]

	Citation:			Posté par gambit
	Vu que je veux de la couleur, exit les essentials!! Comme ce sont des masterworks je suppose que c est l.époque ditko et non la deuxième ère Stern ( j adore ce scénariste! Le plus constant sur avengers avec Thomas)

http://www.amazon.fr/Spider-Man-Roge.../dp/0785188274

pour completer

- Masterworks : chronologique On est arrivé vers les 70's

- Essential : chronologiques.. on est arrivé au 90's pour certains.. début 80's en général.


EPIC COLLECTION collecte pour l instant les "trous" dans les reimpression... cad souvent du materiel 70-80's

[persepolis]

Les omnibus , ce n'est pas trop imposant à tenir pour lire ?

[Fred le mallrat]

c est lourd

[gambit]

Oui imposant. Et lourd. 1000 pages sur du papier epais de qualité.

[Gassian]

Tiens, j'avais complètement oublié qu'à l'origine, c'était Tante May qui devait mourir dans ASM #121.
C'est sur une suggestion de John Romita que Gerry Conway décide finalement de supprimer Gwen à la place :

	Citation:
	ROMITA: I remember telling Gerry that Aunt May was too important to Peter’s secret identity for us to kill her. I know she was a pain in the neck to a lot of readers, but she was a good foil and as long as Aunt May was around, Peter was going to be a kid. I suggested that if we were going to kill somebody, it should be Gwen or Mary Jane. [This was] based on Milton Caniff’s trick. Caniff used to take very important female characters in Terry and the Pirates and knock them off regularly every four or five years. As a young kid, I was very much into Terry and the Pirates and I remember when Pat Ryan, who was the main hero, lost his girlfriend, there were people on the street the next day talking about how Raven Sherman had died. I thought, “This can’t be! I thought I was the only guy who thought of these characters as real people!” It stuck in my mind that if you’re going to kill somebody, kill somebody very important, make it a real shock. That was the only suggestion I made to Gerry when we were plotting this. I thought if somebody was going to die, it should be Gwen. I thought she was so important, [the readers] imagined she would never die. I think it bears out, because 35 years later we’re still talking about it!

Source : CBR

[gambit]

Reçu mon masterworks de Dr strange.vol 6. Début assez psychédélique avec eternity et la Mort. Je regrette pas mon achat mais cinquante euros le chéquier à eu mal.

[Gassian]

A l'occasion de la sortie du nouveau film X-Men, JB a été amené a revenir sur la genèse de l'Arc Days of Future Past.
Extraits :

	Citation:
	It sometimes amazes me that there are still corners of fandom -- and large corners, it would seem! -- where the origin of "Days of Future Past" is still unknown. It's not like I've been shy about discussing how the story came to be! It began with the Sentinels, as many of you know. Chris didn't want to do a Sentinel story. He said "Sentinels are lame!" No, said I, you just WRITE them lame! So I plotted a tale in which the Sentinels were not only anything but "lame," they actually took over the world! As it turned out, I would realize later that I had inadvertently lifted certain elements of my story from other sources, most specifically the "Day of the Daleks" story on DOCTOR WHO, which essentially provided the spine of "Days of Future Past," plus some visual elements from the novelization of THE QUATERMASS CONCLUSION, which I'd read not long before working on "Days." Chris was familiar with neither of these stories, at the time, so obviously elements that came from them could not have been his idea. Using Kitty as the maguffin of the story, with the "mental time travel" aspect was mine, and I'd come up with it as a way of ensuring the X-Men got a clear win out of this story, and did not merely create yet another "alternate timeline." I even convinced Captain Omniverse himself, Mark Gruenwald, that because "Kate" had journeyed back thru her own mind's timeline, there was no point at which a divergence could occur. (No small victory, that!) Of course Chris, in scripting the issues, slipped in an "alternate timeline" reference, and the notorious "incestuous lesbian kiss" moment (not in the pictures!) and thus gutted my story -- while providing himself and later writers acres of material to be forever strip-mined. Once again, the X-Men didn't really WIN. Weird, isn't it, to think how very DIFFERENT that would have been. A clean, clear victory for the X-Men (present and future), and so no alternate timelines to muddy up the stories for the next thirty-odd years.

Source : Byrne Robotics

[Fletcher Arrowsmith]

A sacré John. C'est le retour du fameux "incestuous lesbian kiss" On savait qu'il était déjà co ploter voire plus à priori. J'ai l'impression qu'il en veut à Claremont quand même.

[Mil K]

On sent effectivement un très très très léger ton de reproche...

C'est quoi cette histoire de "insestious lesbien kiss" ? ?

[Fletcher Arrowsmith]

	Citation:			Posté par Mil K
	On sent effectivement un très très très léger ton de reproche... C'est quoi cette histoire de "insestious lesbien kiss" ? ?

Il faut jouer l'été :

insestious lesbien kiss : what is it ? merci à Ransom pour cette excellente devinette estivale

[Mil K]

Aucun souvenir de cette case... si ça se trouve, c'est à cause de la VF, ils avaient traduit ça comment dans Special Strange ?

[Gassian]

Lorsque le titre X-Men s'est arrêté, en 1969, c'est parce que ses ventes étaient jugées insuffisantes. En effet, elles ne s'élevaient qu'à 250 000 exemplaires.
Autres temps ...

[Gassian]

Les circonstances du départ de John Byrne de la série Hulk (la première fois, en 1985)

	Citation:			Posté par la version de Jim Shooter
	I was frequently out of the office in those days, traveling on business, in which case DeFalco or Gruenwald signed off on the books. What they were thinking sometimes, I cannot fathom, but a number of issues from Denny's office made it into print that had serious flaws or things that were unacceptable -- including several by John Byrne. After one particularly bad incident, I finally confronted Denny and told him he'd better start doing his job. That very day, I think, a John Byrne Hulk job came in, finished, lettered and inked, that was all splash pages. Denny thought I'd go ballistic when I saw it, so he rejected it! And he told John it was because I, Jim Shooter, didn't approve. John was the one who went ballistic. He quit, contacted the President of Marvel and demanded I be fired. The President called me and asked who the hell John Byrne was, and to please keep these people from bothering him.

	Citation:			Posté par la version de JB
	Shooter is always the hero in his own life. My shifting from Alpha Flight to the Hulk had its beginnings in a taxi ride I shared with Shooter, months earlier. We were talking about what needed "fixing" at Marvel, and I mentioned a longtime fondness for the Hulk. "What would you do with the Hulk?" he asked. I told him. "That's GREAT!" he said. "Do it!" So I mulled and mused for a while, and then called Bill Mantlo and asked if he wanted to swap books. Bill did his own mulling and musing, and said yes. Then I asked Denny O'Neil, my AF editor, if he'd be up for the swap. He was. Then I proceeded to do exactly what I'd told Shooter I would do. And his response was "You can't do this!!!" Same thing that had happened with Phoenix. Same thing that was happening more and more on FF. Business as usual at Marvel in those days. By the way, Denny did not tell me he couldn't use the all-splash issue because Shooter had rejected it. Denny didn't even show it to Shooter. Everyone at the office was by then so gun shy they were afraid to let Shooter even SEE something that might "upset" him. And THAT was why I quit HULK, and why I eventually quit FF. Impossible to work in that environment, where something could be approved in full on Friday, and utterly rejected on Monday. And -- the all-splash story was later used by Al Milgrom as an issue of MARVEL FANFARE, the "prestige" book. So perhaps it was not so bad after all?

U Decide !

Source : Byrne Robotics

[Dhargo]

John BYRNE pour moi !! Sans hésitation !